At the appointment it was Dr S (Who is the
medical director) along with two residents. It was well worth the trip
as he had new ideas. It went well. He spent 20 minutes going over his
developmental, behavioral, medication, diagnostic, family and other
histories. Then 20 minutes with Honeybunches alone. Then another 20
minutes with us going over his recommendations. Amazingly Honeybunches
did really well in there alone. I was nervous how that part was going to go, but agreed to try it.
Dr S believed that Seroquel was just as bad metabolically as Abilify so
he didn't understand that switch. He actually thought that out of the
atypical antipsychotics Abilify was one of the easiest on the liver, but
he made it clear he did NOT think Honeybunches should go back on it.
He said he'd recommend to do things with a three step plan as follows:
Step #1: See how he does with out any antipsychotic on less
medications, by taking the Seroquel away and not replacing it with
anything. (Which would just leave him on Clonidine, Tenex and Lithium).
(He suggested this because of his "Fatty Liver" as the antipsychotics
are the most likely cause.) I told him about the man in his belly who
used to make him do bad things. He said because Honeybunches's older
now it might not be an issue. He noticed Honeybunches doing the lip
thing, which he believes might be TD or might just be part of his
Autism. (Interesting, because Cogentin helps it, but this doc said it
doesn't make true TD go away, because it would always be there even when
coming off the offending med... I found that interesting too...)
(Hahaha... I can see suggestion #1 lasting only a couple days probably
so that would be a very quick trial.) I think I'd trial that on a
weekend or during the week of from school coming up in April, if the
pdoc agrees.
Step # 2: If he can't handle #1, then add in a
2nd mood stabilizer such as Depakote, Tegretol or Topomax. Those are the
three he suggested. I mentioned how I didn't think Tegratol would be a
good idea because of his negative reaction to Trileptal. He said
although they are cousins they are different so he should not have the
same reaction.
Step # 3: If steps 1 and 2 don't work he said
he'd suggest adding in a low dose "Old fashioned, conventional
antipsychotic". The three he mentioned were Haldol, Perphenazine and
Prolixen. He said although they do carry more of a risk with Tardive
Dyskinesia, they'd be easier on his liver. He said just using a low
dose of one of the old ones could be equivalent to the "High amount of
Abilify he was on previously". He said the old ones take a fraction of
the dose to be just as or more effective.
He said that the
fatty liver is life threatening while Tardive Dyskinesia would not be.
He believed that Honeybunches's ADHD, Generalized Anxiety Disorder,
Receptive-Expressive Language Disorder and even possibly his "Mood
liability" from the "Mood disorder" all could be related to his Autism
Spectrum Disorder. (Notice he didn't mention BP and was surprised when I
told him how Honeybunches was diagnosed with it at age three.) I asked
him if children with Autism get suicidal. He said "No". Then I asked
him about if he didn't have Bipolar would Lithium still work. He said
it might. (I don't agree with him about the Bipolar being part of the
ASD, but do agree with the ADHD, language disorder and GAD possibly
being part of it.)
I wrote to his regular pdoc to see what she
wants to do. I told her I trust her judgment a lot more than a doctor
who only spent one hour with us. (No more than an hour as he was very
strict on the time limits steady looking at the clock, which I hate.) I
appreciate the new insight though.
I signed a release so Dr S can
send a copy of the report to her too. So I'll see where this goes from
here. It was good to have new ideas. The pdoc he sees regularly
thought that the old APs would be worse for their side effects, which
seems to be opposite thinking than this doc had. She made it pretty
clear before that she didn't want to touch the old ones. I was
surprised that he mentioned 2 mood stabilizers, but he said some
children do really well with two instead of an antipsychotic.
So I guess now I just wait and
see what if anything his regular pdoc wants to do. While I am waiting, I
can wait to see if DCF comes to pay us a visit. While alone, Honeybunches
disclosed some old info about Shnooks doing something inappropriate to
him. DCF should have it in their file, because it was years ago
(2007-8ish) when I told them something might have happened, but they
blew it off because they said Honeybunches was not an appropriate child to
interview, gave Shnooks a screen which showed he was at low-risk to
offend and did nothing. Technically, I believe that this doc has to
file a report anyways, although I explained what I knew (Plus how we
were not exactly sure if anything did happen with Honeybunches) in detail. I don't
want to go into too many details about that, but Honeybunches didn't talk
about it since 2008 until last week when we were driving down the
street. We seen Shnooks. He said "Whose that? Oh yeah the boy who
_____". :( All I can say is I know we made the right decision not
letting that boy back into our house. I'm glad he left in 2010.
Sometimes I am mad at DCF for pushing for us to take him back in 2008
after I disclosed what Honeybunches told me back then. Shnooks was in their
custody through a CHINS, at an RTC which closed. They should not have
sent him back here. We never should have taken him back. Oh well, I
know we tried to give him a good life. So I think the doc probably did file, if for no other reason than to be a good example to his residents. Hopefully it will only go as far as DCF's desk, because it should all be in their records plus we haven't had contact with Shnooks since the Summer of 2010.
On another note, the Seroquel seems to be giving Honeybunches symptoms of the Tardive Dyskinesia again. School told me this morning that yesterday and in the few minutes he was there today before they called me, that they noticed lip puckering like he was going to blow a kiss and holding it there. I wrote to his pdoc, who got back to me quickly and put him back on Cogentin. That's one thing I love most about her. She always returns my calls or emails quickly.